Reboot Podcast Episode #184 – The End of Suffering Pt.2: Connection, Courage, and Collective Responsibility – Sharon Salzberg & Parker J. Palmer

The Reboot podcast showcases the heart and soul, the wins and losses, the ups and downs of startup leadership. On the show, Entrepreneurs, CEO’s, and Startup Leaders discuss with Jerry Colonna the emotional and psychological challenges they face daily as leaders.

#184 // May 12, 2026

Guests

Sharon Salzberg

Sharon Salzberg

Author, Co-founder of Insight Meditation Society

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Parker J. Palmer

Parker J. Palmer

Writer, Speaker & Activist

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Episode Description

What does it mean to be responsible to suffering, not just the pain we carry within ourselves, but the vast, daily hurt we witness in the world around us? In this rich continuation, Jerry is joined by two dear friends, Sharon Salzberg and Parker J. Palmer, to explore our collective responsibility to one another in fractured times.

Together, they examine how the root of so much suffering, personal and systemic alike, lies in our refusal to acknowledge the truth of our interconnection. When we turn away from that truth, we don’t escape pain; we deepen it. But when we find the courage to move toward what frightens us, to walk into otherness rather than away from it, something remarkable becomes possible: we begin to discover that there is no Other.

Rooted in Buddhist wisdom, Quaker spiritual tradition, and decades of lived experience, Jerry, Sharon, and Parker reflect on the role of fear in keeping us apart, the necessity of community in doing this work, and the profound animating power of legacy. Of asking not just who we are now, but what kind of ancestors we are becoming.

Listen to Jerry and Sharon’s first conversation on The End of Suffering here.

Show Highlights

Memorable Quotes:

“What is our responsibility to the suffering in the world? Our own, but more importantly in some ways, each other’s? How do we respond to a world that feels so fractured and in pain?” – Jerry Colonna

“What I know for sure is that when I ignore the suffering going on in the world, or when I prioritize my own suffering against the suffering I can see in the news every day of the year, I suffer some more. It somehow becomes a kind of loneliness, or a deepening of loneliness, when I realize that I’m disengaged, that I have disengaged myself from the suffering in the world around me.” – Parker J. Palmer

“In some ways, I’m sitting here thinking anything that moves us away from connectedness, interdependence, and reliance upon each other is suffering.” – Jerry Colonna

“The suffering begins with our refusal to recognize the fact of our connectedness and the fact, as every practitioner of nonviolent social change in history has preached, that in an interconnected system, what happens to one of us happens to all of us. And somehow the root of suffering is pretending that that’s not true.” Parker J. Palmer

“What interests me is the structures that we have in place to keep us apart. The structures that say if you’re frightened or you’re in pain, you should hide, you know, or if others are frightened or in pain, that’s displeasing. Let’s just tuck them away somewhere.” – Sharon Salberg

“I mean, you know, all living things desire to grow. They desire fuller life. And if I can start to understand that fuller life means taking risks, that fuller life means opening myself to more, not closing down in fear, then I’m tapping into another natural impulse, which is precisely that impulse that I’m starting to see spring up in the winter landscape around me, which is the green shoots of new growth coming up through the ice and snow, as they do every spring, because that’s real. That’s the natural world. That’s the way this interconnected system works.” – Parker J. Palmer

“You know, put simplistically but usefully, a necessary component to the end of suffering is what I’m hearing is our capacity to be with our own fear and to not give in to it, and to put another way, the end of suffering requires us to be brave.” – Jerry Colonna

“If I want to alleviate my suffering, then I have to turn towards that which terrifies me with curiosity, not fearlessness.” – Jerry Colonna

“I think part of the path, if we can tie it back into the theme, part of the path to the end of suffering is the ability, or the willingness to deploy the ability to respond. That there’s a kind of moral and ethical responsibility to lean into that which is so frightening.” – Jerry Colonna

“The more real we can get about who we are and how we are with each other, and the more responsible in that sense that we can become, the better off we’re going to be with the end of suffering.” – Parker J. Palmer