Reboot Podcast Episode #120 – Breaking the Cycle – with Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

The Reboot podcast showcases the heart and soul, the wins and losses, the ups and downs of startup leadership. On the show, Entrepreneurs, CEO’s, and Startup Leaders discuss with Jerry Colonna the emotional and psychological challenges they face daily as leaders.

Episode 120 // February 27, 2020


Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

Author & Founder & CEO of Alignment Strategies Group

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Episode Description

In this episode, Jerry welcomes fellow author Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler to the podcast to explore her latest book: Optimal Outcomes: Free Yourself from Conflict at Work, at Home, and In Life. In this dialogue, Jennifer shares how tensions in her own life propelled the desire to discern the ways in which emotions like grief, anger, fear, and sadness manifest in times of conflict. Jerry and Jennifer consider how disagreements can trigger feelings of shame, and how attempts to safeguard ourselves from those feelings often get externalized as blame towards those with which we are in conflict. They highlight how turning to wonder (in conjunction with compassion and empathy) when confronted with conflict can bridge the gap of misunderstanding and acknowledge that not all conflicts will come to a resolution, sharing some helpful practices for breaking the conflict cycle. 

Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler on Twitter | Optimal Outcomes | Principles: Life and Work |

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Show Highlights

Top Quotes:

“The body experiences the potential of violence almost as much as it experiences actual violence.” – Jerry Colonna

“Very often we perpetuate what has been done to us if we aren’t able to be thoughtful about it.” – Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

“There’s usually a rationale for every stance that someone is taking.” – Jerry Colonna

“Having a practice of noticing what’s happening in the moment, asking yourself, “What else could be possibly responsible for why that person’s acting the way that they are? What in their background, in their history, might explain their behavior?” It can be incredibly helpful.” – Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

“An optimal outcome is often not what you expect, or not what you necessarily wish would happen, but what can happen given the reality of the situation.” – Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler

“Rather than wanting to be responsible for the conflict that’s there, I seek to find fault, I seek to find someone to blame, so that it’s not me.” – Jerry Colonna

“It’s possible for you to have a truth, and for me to have a truth. It is possible for there to be conflict without blame and without shame.” – Jerry Colonna

“What I’ve learned, and what the research shows, is that some conflicts will never be resolved.” – Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler